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W-2? 1099? Corp-to-Corp? What's a new software consultant to do?

Pretty much as long has there have been outside consultants, they have been asking this question: W-2? 1099? or Corp-to-Corp?

For the unintiated, any new consultant needs to determine how they will organize their business. And these are the usual options people talk about. You would think it's a pretty straight forward calculation, but it can really become quite complicated.

I made a new posting, Consultants: W-2, 1099 or Corp-to-Corp?, that goes into some detail about the issues you need to consider. Each option has its own advantages and drawbacks. As with most things, it's all about the trade-offs.

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Consulting vs Employment

I am viewed as a mere dollar amount when it comes to determining value by the owner of the corporation I have been with for 15 years. I know too much pertaining personal use of funds in excessive amounts, fraudulent activity, etc. I was approached to consider being a consultant for the corporation ilo full time employment. I took a pay reduction in January for 18k per year, vehicle fuel benefits, etc. I know make 132k per annum. Our owner feels that he should be able to reduce my salary significantly through consulting by requesting me continue to do the same position (running his company) for 24 hours per week (ilo 50+) and of course a much more minimal salary. As I have never consulted prior I created a consulting agreement for $118k in which he is now contemplating an offer lower which I should hear this week. My concern is I donot trust this owner and feel that his primary function is to eventually dissolve me from any involvement in the corporation due to my knowledgeon of his corporation. I am at a bit of a loss as I am unsure how to proceed. I am greatly committed to this company and have had great involvement in building it up to the status is currently is. I have prepared a consulting agreement with a 3 year term and payout for remainder of year in the case of contract termination to attempt to cover myself until I can possibly locate additional employment. Your advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Boy I hate the thought of tax time, but you have supplied some good information, should be very helpful.

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"but it can really become

"but it can really become quite complicated."

Yes, i think so. And what have you done to figure this out?

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Thanks for sharing advantages and drawbacks of these. These are new topics for me.

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At first, I would like to say thanks for the awesome article regarding W-2, 1099 and Corp-to-Corp. It's my first time to read this blog and really this is very interesting blog.

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I wish the laws did not keep changing. It is very difficult to keep up with changes. Moreover, I wish they were clearer. I have had several tax preparers prepare my corp returns and they all seem to do them differently.

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you can actually find out a bit more about this stuff if you do a google search.

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Absolutely correct, there is a plethora of info on this subject if search yahoo, bing, or google.

Hi Linda, I am going through

Hi Linda,
I am going through a divorce where my X was in a partnership in an LLC and said his partner didn't want to stay in business and was closing the business.... However the partner has taken over everything (showroom, web-site, assests ect.) and won't provide financial documentation.

Now my X has has opened another company with someone who lives out of state most of the year and claims that person owns the company and ****that he is only an employee and so he can't provide new company documentation*** such as the operating agreement and paycheck stubs.

He provided a Limited Liability Company agreement where it states he has an 8% interest and partner who lives most of the year in another state 92%. My X filed the state forms as manager.
I've been told by an accountant that That IS the operating statement. IS that true?

The state filings show an LLC and he is paying himself as an employee. (He did try that with the last company until I questioned his accountant and they changed it because he can't be a member of a partnership and an employee). Now he is saying he is only an employee. My Accountant said "you are not a legal employee under this arrangement. IRS regulations do not allow a member to be an employee when an LLC is taxed as a partnership". IS this true? And if so, would you know where I can find this law in writing (I've searched) for the court.

His new company is doing business with the original company that was taken over(closed/transfered) by his partner but he won't provide those agreements/financials to me because he is claiming he is just an employee of the new one and can't....
Can you help me and my kids??????
Thank you-

a different issue - being paid as an individual not LLC

linda - this is a huge resource for so many - thank you.

i have a multi-member LLC doing business consulting. every once in a while a client will insist on writing a check to me in my name with my personal SSN and issuing a 1099. they have varied reasons for doing it and i try to reason with them but get nowhere. so far i have turned these projects down.

my question is if i receive a payment in my name and get a 1099 with my SSN is there some formal way i can "transfer" the revenue to my LLC and make sure that the Fed and NJ tax depts don't hound me in years to come?

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completely agree with you. I really like this article. It contains a lot of useful information. I can set up my new idea from this post. It gives in depth information. Thanks for this valuable information for all. And of course nice review about the marketing points.

Hi, I have the same

Hi,

I have the same question. I've set up my 2-member LLC with my wife. She took a consulting contract on a 1099 paid directly to her as an individual.

Can we transfer this already recognized income to the company?

How would we go about that?

Dale

HOW TO EXCLUDE the FIRST 7.65% EARNED INCOME (1099)?

Hi Linda,

Thank you for your wonderful article. I read it from the line 1 to the last. Appreciated.

I have a question on HOW TO EXCLUDE the FIRST 7.65% EARNED INCOME. Any IRS publication on this? This tax break was mentioned in your article (please see the below for the section of your article).

Thank again for your time.

Best,
Your reader

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Self-Employment Taxes: The Unexpected Tax

This is where the self-employed really lose out over corporations. Any profit on earned income that accumulates in your business is subject to self-employment taxes. This is true of partnerships and LLCs, too. Only corporations are not subject to this tax on accumulated earnings. They have their own tax on excess accumulations to worry about, but it usually doesn't affect small corporations.

Before we get too far, just what are self-employment taxes? Self-employment (SE) tax is a social security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the social security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners.

You may not be aware that your employer matches every dollar that is withheld from your W-2 paycheck for social security and Medicare taxes. Employees pay 6.2% and employers pay 6.2% for a total of 12.4% on the first $94,200 of wages (that's the social security cap for 2006) and 1.65% each for a combined total of 2.9% on the remaining amount for Medicare. As a self-employed individual, you get to pay both halves, but the IRS gives you a bit of break and you can exclude the first 7.65% earned income. Plus you get another "break" because you can deduct half of your SE tax from your taxable income (Form 1040, Line 27).

So many people go into business with no idea this tax is out there then come April they get slammed with the SE tax. Then the IRS will get them for interest and penalties because they didn't make any payments toward it throughout the year. It can be quite a shock!

Self-Employment Tax Calculation

Hi

The exclusion is part of the SE tax calculation. Take a look at Schedule SE. Line 4 has you multiply your self-employment income by 92.35% The 15.3% SE tax is applied to this amount.

For example, if you had $10K of SE income, your SE tax would be $1413. ($10K x 92.35% x 15.3%).

If you had paid the tax on the full amount, the tax would be $1530 ($10K x 15.3%).

Hope this clears that up.
L:)

Linda, This is a fantastic

Linda,

This is a fantastic blog I have seen for consulting and corporations related Qs. Thanks for the effort.
I am on H1b status and working for a company on full-time basis. I am setting up S-corp IT services company and have some quick questions, please provide some insights into these:

1. Is it better to hire someone as recruiter for my firm on part-time basis and pay minimum wages plus commission based on performance (or) give a percentage based on performance, but for later scenario unless my employee achieves goal he/she would not be able to get any pay. So does the later scenario have any legal and tax issues
2. In contracting cases, My company will act as Middle men for client and another consulting company (whose employee will be consultant providing services to my client). When I get payment from client, I would have to deduct all the expenses and pay to the consulting company I am in contract with. How do the taxes go with the income I have now.
3. Can I hire someone in canada/uk or other country who will manage the company and run Do I need to have atleast 1 employee in USA to run the business.

re: LLC or S Corp

Linda,

I'm a contract Web developer living in Connecticut and I am considering taking a position several hours from my home. The position is in another state and would last for six months. I would rent a room during the week returning home on weekends. My choice upon hire is either a W2 or Corp to Corp, they don't offer 1099. I'm considering corp to corp but I have several questions:
1. Which is easier to set up, an LLC or S Corp?
2. I'm working on a 1099 now. Which is the most similar to a 1099?
3. The LLC seems to cost approximately $500 to set up online. Is this generally the amount you would expect to spend?
4. My assumption is that, like a 1099, taxes are not deducted weekly or monthly. Is this correct?

I appreciate your time and answers.

Kind regards,

Rob B

Linda, This is a fantastic

Linda,

This is a fantastic blog I have seen for consulting and corporations related Qs. Thanks for the effort.
I am on H1b status and working for a company on full-time basis. I am setting up S-corp IT services company and have some quick questions, please provide some insights into these:

1. Is it better to hire someone as recruiter for my firm on part-time basis and pay minimum wages plus commission based on performance (or) give a percentage based on performance, but for later scenario unless my employee achieves goal he/she would not be able to get any pay. So does the later scenario have any legal and tax issues
2. In contracting cases, My company will act as Middle men for client and another consulting company (whose employee will be consultant providing services to my client). When I get payment from client, I would have to deduct all the expenses and pay to the consulting company I am in contract with. How do the taxes go with the income I have now.
3. Can I hire someone in canada/uk or other country who will manage the company and run Do I need to have atleast 1 employee in USA to run the business.

So this is what all the

So this is what all the H1B's that we are bringing into this country are doing? Bringing additional H1B's in to take additional jobs? No wonder we have unemployment reaching 20%. This guy needs to be reported to the USCIS - what he is doing is illegal. I also like the way that he doesn't even want to hire someone from the US to manage the company. This sounds like exactly what the bogus H1B program was intended for - it needs to be ended NOW.

Hi, I liked your

Hi,
I liked your comment.
You are absolutely correct.
That's why we are struggling here in USA to find the job. Took a college loan and there is no job to pay our college loan.
Sitting in the corner and commenting are not going to help.

Wonderful read, and

Wonderful read, and excellent points. Just need usefull jobs

Recruiting Firms

Hi,

1. That really depends on the compensation package you negotiate with the recruiter. The commissions are wages, just like the hourly wage, and subject to all employment taxes. There's no tax advantage to paying commission versus wages.

2. I'm not sure I understand the question. If you mean the how will the new income interact with your salary from your FT job... the net income (or loss) from your business will flow to your personal tax return. It will be combined with your salary plus any deductions to arrive at your taxable income. You pay income tax on the net income of the S-Corp at your personal marginal tax rate.

3. No, your employees can be anywhere. But if it's a US S-corp you'll be paying tax on the net income on your federal tax return. If your H1B status changes and you move overseas, the income from the S-Corp will likely be US source income & you will have to pay US taxes on that.

Hope this helps.
L:)

Recruiting Firms

Thanks for the clarification. It was quite helpful.
Regarding (3) point - hiring recruiter/manager outside USA. So since I dont need to hire anyone in USA, I will probably hire someone in Canada/UK. I want to have head office in USA and can I show the expenses incurred in other country (taxes in other country + salary to my employee and deduct from my S-corp income here.

-- Can I hire OPT, CPT from the start date of company. I was told that I cannot sponsor H1B for 2 years after starting company, is it true. If so, can I hire H1B people who are already working in USA(and sponsor through my company)

Thanks

H1B

Hi,

On the first question, yes you deduct expenses incurred & paid in other countries.

Regarding OPT/CPT/H1B hiring & sponsorship, I just don't know. That's not my area of expertise.

L:)

Ahh, thank you so much for

Ahh, thank you so much for this clarification. I was wondering about the OPT/CPT/H1B hiring and sponsorship specifics but I guess I can just wait. Haha. Thank you!

-GP

This is where the

This is where the self-employed really lose out over corporations. Any profit on earned income that accumulates in your business is subject to self-employment taxes. This is true of partnerships and LLCs, too. Only corporations are not subject to this tax on accumulated earnings. They have their own tax on excess accumulations to worry about, but it usually doesn't affect small corporations.

Before we get too far, just what are self-employment taxes? Self-employment (SE) tax is a social security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the social security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners.

You may not be aware that your employer matches every dollar that is withheld from your W-2 paycheck for social security and Medicare taxes. Employees pay 6.2% and employers pay 6.2% for a total of 12.4% on the first $94,200 of wages (that's the social security cap for 2006) and 1.65% each for a combined total of 2.9% on the remaining amount for Medicare. As a self-employed individual, you get to pay both halves, but the IRS gives you a bit of break and you can exclude the first 7.65% earned income. Plus you get another "break" because you can deduct half of your SE tax from your taxable income (Form 1040, Line 27).

This is so confusing, can

This is so confusing, can you be a bit clearer about the 1099, I am trying to find out if my online job qualifies for this.

LLC or S-Corp

Hi Rob,

1. An LLC is usually easier to setup. But an LLC can opt to be taxed as an S-Corp by filing form 2553
2. LLC is taxed as a sole proprietor by default, which is the same as 1099.
3. You can usually do it yourself by filing a form with your state's Secretary of State office. You're paying for expedited service for the higher price. Intuit's MyCorporation has a deal with prices starting at $99.
4. yes.

L:)

First of all I want to say

First of all I want to say huge thank you for amazing article regarding W-2, 1099 and Corp-to-Corp. It was hard to understand me these work options before but now everything is clear! I realized that every of this option has it's pros and cons and I will try to choose the best one. Thanks one more time!

I don't know, so I'm not

I don't know, so I'm not taking an answer slot, but Corp-to-Corp means you have to be incorporated. So if you haven't done that yet, that's not really an option. It took my brother 4 months to get everything straight to incorporate his business.

Reagards...

Of course it depends on your

Of course it depends on your choice based on your needs. First, you always have to consider all the pros and cons of being incorporated, as well as of any other business model.

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